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		<title>By: Kelly(koalamom)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly(koalamom)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 00:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not there yet either but I think I&#039;m getting close.  I try to do everything, can&#039;t ask for help.  I want to be Wonder Woman/Mom for some unfathomable reason.  Chelle, when I was reading what you wrote in so many places it sounded like me.  I take care of everyone but forget to take care of me.  But lately, the voice in my head has been telling me to stop, now I just have to get my body to obey.  That is a feat in itself.  For my sanity and my health, which is why I think the voice is getting pretty stern with me to listen, is a big reason I better get there soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not there yet either but I think I&#8217;m getting close.  I try to do everything, can&#8217;t ask for help.  I want to be Wonder Woman/Mom for some unfathomable reason.  Chelle, when I was reading what you wrote in so many places it sounded like me.  I take care of everyone but forget to take care of me.  But lately, the voice in my head has been telling me to stop, now I just have to get my body to obey.  That is a feat in itself.  For my sanity and my health, which is why I think the voice is getting pretty stern with me to listen, is a big reason I better get there soon.</p>
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		<title>By: samandiego</title>
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		<dc:creator>samandiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 14:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I have to say, I love the phrase “healthy dependency” – never really thought of it that way before.  I teach a lot of social workers about why older youth in foster care still need families (even if they are already 18) and not just “independent living skills” (which is primarily how they are tracked in foster care, so they “age out” of the system without a family, but with “skills”.  In that training, I ask people to think about who is their family and their support network.  I also ask them to think about their skills and competencies.  Then I ask them to imagine they had to choose – for the rest of their life to have either one or the other – family or skills – which would they choose – and they always say “family”, yet they admit they don’t want to give up their skills.  So this leads to a discussion about how none of us – even when we are skillful, competent adults are truly living “independently” but rather the terms should be “interdependent living”.  

It is good to gain the competency needed to function in life and society, yet as the old saying goes, “no one is an island” – we need to recognize and value our interdependence on others.  Within the church, we call that “fellowship” and within society we call that “community.”  And it is what is necessary not only for each individual to reach their maximum potential but for the society as a whole to grow and thrive.  

Easy to say and to teach – harder to live by.  There is that saying “it is better to give than receive” and many of us believe that and find much joy in giving.  Yet how could we give and experience that joy as a giver if there was no one to receive?  And how arrogant is it to say, “I only want to be the giver, I never want to be the receiver?”  yet that is what some of us, myself included, so frequently do.  When we decline to be on the receiving end, we deny others the opportunity, blessing and joy of giving.  Is that really fair?

Again, easy to say – harder to live by.  For me, as the oldest child in the family, I was a perfectionist and over-achiever.  I got bad grades in first grade – first grade!  Yet when I went home with that report card, I saw the deep disappointment on my parents’ faces and never wanted to repeat that.  So from that point on, I sent my mind on getting all “A’s” and I almost always did succeed and when, on a rare occasion, I got a “B” I felt like a failure.  In Girl Scouts, I had to earn the most badges – I was almost obsessive about it.  So from an early age, I pushed myself and never wanted to depend on others or be a disappointment.

As my husband and I made our choices about the kind of family and we were going to create, and as our family grew and grew and we also started an agency where we were the “leader and visionary” my natural inclination to be an overachiever was also combined with a fear of showing any weakness.  I found that we often encountered two kinds of responses people would have to our family.  One was to “revere” us – to essentially put us on a pedestal and tell us we are so wonderful for what we do, etc.  The other was to doubt us, be suspicious of our motives and almost seem to be lurking and waiting for us to fail so they could say “See, I told you so.”  I never felt I could be my real true self with either group, nor did I dare to ask for help because it would only prove the naysayers right and those that put us on a pedestal wouldn’t feel they knew how to help.  And so, as my good friend Judy once pointed out to me, I developed a bad case of “terminal uniqueness” where I felt alone and isolated and like no one could relate to me at all.  This only fueled my need to be super independent and successful.

And then, on the rare times when I did reach out for help, I can SOOOOOO relate to Chelle’s sentence here : “On the other hand I have begged for some help and have heard many times I am busy, not today, I am sorry but I am swamped…so then I think I am a bother.  So then I form this “oh Jeeze” syndrome and think I am not asking anyone else.”  Oh man, oh man is that me!!!!

So to me, healthy dependency is first and foremost a dependence on God and an honest assessment of myself as a person who is both competent (in some areas) and needy (in others) and that is OK.  To recognize that I do have gifts, but also shortcomings and that God knows and sees both sides of me and loves me anyway.  And when and if I can actually see myself in this light – in God’s eyes, then I am able to give more freely (no strings attached, with joy and not conditions) and also receive more freely (without guilt or feeling like a failure).  I think I hit that balance once in a while, but it is always a struggle.  

Also, I try to be the kind of person that just sees a need and initiates doing something about it.  So I also tend to expect that others will just “see” when I need something and offer or initiate or volunteer to help and that I shouldn’t have to actually “ask” for help.  And so if I have a need and no one “steps up” to offer to help, in a situation where – were the tables reversed I would have offered to help that person – then I have a tendency to get resentful – “why isn’t this person seeing my need and offering to help?” I ask myself rather than actually asking for the help I need.  And yet as the Bible says, “You have not because you ask not.”  I need to get better at learning to ask and not feeling put upon if people just don’t automatically know how and when to help me.  So that, too, is healthy dependency, the ability to humby and graciously ask for help.

OK, so I don’t know if I have answered the question at all but thanks for letting me ramble, it was actually good for me to get some of these thoughts on paper!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I have to say, I love the phrase “healthy dependency” – never really thought of it that way before.  I teach a lot of social workers about why older youth in foster care still need families (even if they are already 18) and not just “independent living skills” (which is primarily how they are tracked in foster care, so they “age out” of the system without a family, but with “skills”.  In that training, I ask people to think about who is their family and their support network.  I also ask them to think about their skills and competencies.  Then I ask them to imagine they had to choose – for the rest of their life to have either one or the other – family or skills – which would they choose – and they always say “family”, yet they admit they don’t want to give up their skills.  So this leads to a discussion about how none of us – even when we are skillful, competent adults are truly living “independently” but rather the terms should be “interdependent living”.  </p>
<p>It is good to gain the competency needed to function in life and society, yet as the old saying goes, “no one is an island” – we need to recognize and value our interdependence on others.  Within the church, we call that “fellowship” and within society we call that “community.”  And it is what is necessary not only for each individual to reach their maximum potential but for the society as a whole to grow and thrive.  </p>
<p>Easy to say and to teach – harder to live by.  There is that saying “it is better to give than receive” and many of us believe that and find much joy in giving.  Yet how could we give and experience that joy as a giver if there was no one to receive?  And how arrogant is it to say, “I only want to be the giver, I never want to be the receiver?”  yet that is what some of us, myself included, so frequently do.  When we decline to be on the receiving end, we deny others the opportunity, blessing and joy of giving.  Is that really fair?</p>
<p>Again, easy to say – harder to live by.  For me, as the oldest child in the family, I was a perfectionist and over-achiever.  I got bad grades in first grade – first grade!  Yet when I went home with that report card, I saw the deep disappointment on my parents’ faces and never wanted to repeat that.  So from that point on, I sent my mind on getting all “A’s” and I almost always did succeed and when, on a rare occasion, I got a “B” I felt like a failure.  In Girl Scouts, I had to earn the most badges – I was almost obsessive about it.  So from an early age, I pushed myself and never wanted to depend on others or be a disappointment.</p>
<p>As my husband and I made our choices about the kind of family and we were going to create, and as our family grew and grew and we also started an agency where we were the “leader and visionary” my natural inclination to be an overachiever was also combined with a fear of showing any weakness.  I found that we often encountered two kinds of responses people would have to our family.  One was to “revere” us – to essentially put us on a pedestal and tell us we are so wonderful for what we do, etc.  The other was to doubt us, be suspicious of our motives and almost seem to be lurking and waiting for us to fail so they could say “See, I told you so.”  I never felt I could be my real true self with either group, nor did I dare to ask for help because it would only prove the naysayers right and those that put us on a pedestal wouldn’t feel they knew how to help.  And so, as my good friend Judy once pointed out to me, I developed a bad case of “terminal uniqueness” where I felt alone and isolated and like no one could relate to me at all.  This only fueled my need to be super independent and successful.</p>
<p>And then, on the rare times when I did reach out for help, I can SOOOOOO relate to Chelle’s sentence here : “On the other hand I have begged for some help and have heard many times I am busy, not today, I am sorry but I am swamped…so then I think I am a bother.  So then I form this “oh Jeeze” syndrome and think I am not asking anyone else.”  Oh man, oh man is that me!!!!</p>
<p>So to me, healthy dependency is first and foremost a dependence on God and an honest assessment of myself as a person who is both competent (in some areas) and needy (in others) and that is OK.  To recognize that I do have gifts, but also shortcomings and that God knows and sees both sides of me and loves me anyway.  And when and if I can actually see myself in this light – in God’s eyes, then I am able to give more freely (no strings attached, with joy and not conditions) and also receive more freely (without guilt or feeling like a failure).  I think I hit that balance once in a while, but it is always a struggle.  </p>
<p>Also, I try to be the kind of person that just sees a need and initiates doing something about it.  So I also tend to expect that others will just “see” when I need something and offer or initiate or volunteer to help and that I shouldn’t have to actually “ask” for help.  And so if I have a need and no one “steps up” to offer to help, in a situation where – were the tables reversed I would have offered to help that person – then I have a tendency to get resentful – “why isn’t this person seeing my need and offering to help?” I ask myself rather than actually asking for the help I need.  And yet as the Bible says, “You have not because you ask not.”  I need to get better at learning to ask and not feeling put upon if people just don’t automatically know how and when to help me.  So that, too, is healthy dependency, the ability to humby and graciously ask for help.</p>
<p>OK, so I don’t know if I have answered the question at all but thanks for letting me ramble, it was actually good for me to get some of these thoughts on paper!</p>
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		<title>By: Chelle</title>
		<link>http://www.womens-place.com/blog/2010/05/20/healthy-dependency-15-gift-card-to-amazon-com/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Chelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 20:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so enjoying reading the thoughts of everyone. I think EVERYONE is giving great advice and EVERYONE is helping me with their input.   I am glad to see that I am not alone in the fact that I have a hard time asking for help. For me it seems I get a guilt feeling too. I am not sure why? Something I need to explore too.
I know right now with everything that is going on in my life, that I should ask...you would think I would, lol I think all of you need to gang up on me and beat me up, lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so enjoying reading the thoughts of everyone. I think EVERYONE is giving great advice and EVERYONE is helping me with their input.   I am glad to see that I am not alone in the fact that I have a hard time asking for help. For me it seems I get a guilt feeling too. I am not sure why? Something I need to explore too.<br />
I know right now with everything that is going on in my life, that I should ask&#8230;you would think I would, lol I think all of you need to gang up on me and beat me up, lol</p>
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		<title>By: Cheri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 17:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts here from everyone!  It&#039;s nice to see some comments here too. ;)  

I can totally relate to parts of what everyone has posted.  It is hard to ask for help, but I think that we all do need to have some kind of support system of people who are willing to help us out and that we can reciprocate with. 

I don&#039;t have any family here, so I have a few friends that I know that I can call to help me out.  They know that I don&#039;t ask unless I really need help, though.  

In fact, I just had to call one friend to pick up Nick because I couldn&#039;t be in two places at once, and my need fell on a day that dh was tied up in a very important meeting.  

I have also ended a friendship once because I was in an urgent situation and called a friend to help me with Nick.  She told me she couldn&#039;t wake her sleeping 5-year-old to get him from school.  Dh was out of town and I was at the hospital with Carleigh. 

Chelle, with all that you have going on, you absolutely need help sometimes.  Don&#039;t be afraid to ask for it and let some things slide!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts here from everyone!  It&#8217;s nice to see some comments here too. <img src='http://www.womens-place.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>I can totally relate to parts of what everyone has posted.  It is hard to ask for help, but I think that we all do need to have some kind of support system of people who are willing to help us out and that we can reciprocate with. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any family here, so I have a few friends that I know that I can call to help me out.  They know that I don&#8217;t ask unless I really need help, though.  </p>
<p>In fact, I just had to call one friend to pick up Nick because I couldn&#8217;t be in two places at once, and my need fell on a day that dh was tied up in a very important meeting.  </p>
<p>I have also ended a friendship once because I was in an urgent situation and called a friend to help me with Nick.  She told me she couldn&#8217;t wake her sleeping 5-year-old to get him from school.  Dh was out of town and I was at the hospital with Carleigh. </p>
<p>Chelle, with all that you have going on, you absolutely need help sometimes.  Don&#8217;t be afraid to ask for it and let some things slide!</p>
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		<title>By: JillH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JillH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 13:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think I have gained Healthy Dependency stage in my life. I think I am too dependent in some ways to other people. I am very uncomfortale in new situations so I don&#039;t tend to get in them. That even extends into my kids lives. I do not tend to say yes to doing some thing for the kids school. But at home I do not tend to ask for help in doing all the things to keep the house looking and running smothly. Tends to get over wellming and then I tend to let things slide and it make things worse because there is more to do. Also I get the I don&#039;t care moode with the house work. I need to be more out going in some ways and ask for help in others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think I have gained Healthy Dependency stage in my life. I think I am too dependent in some ways to other people. I am very uncomfortale in new situations so I don&#8217;t tend to get in them. That even extends into my kids lives. I do not tend to say yes to doing some thing for the kids school. But at home I do not tend to ask for help in doing all the things to keep the house looking and running smothly. Tends to get over wellming and then I tend to let things slide and it make things worse because there is more to do. Also I get the I don&#8217;t care moode with the house work. I need to be more out going in some ways and ask for help in others.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 03:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question!   I have not reached the healthy level yet!  I don&#039;t like to ask for help, and try and do it all myself, and i am completely worn out!  What works for me is racking up &#039;brownie points&#039; with my friends!  And they are good about asking for help, so easy for me to get &#039;points&#039;!!  So now i feel ok asking someone to take my son home from the bus so I can take my dd to music lessons, and stuff like that...and also if it&#039;s something I REALLY don&#039;t want to do, then I&#039;m better at delegating!  I&#039;m band president and a few things have come up, like a conflict situation..but one lady is in management at work and has handled such things, so I asked her to take over that piece for me!  And I do not like to solicit for auction goods, and luckily I have a few folks working with me who are willing to do it, so I&#039;m happy to delegate that to them!  I do have a very hard time letting go when it is kid stuff though...My friend said that I do not have to go to EVERY activity of my kids&#039;, but I still do!!  I enjoy it, and wouldn&#039;t feel right if i did!  course once they all move out I will sleep for a year to catch up!!

So my answer is that delegating is good, and racking up brownie points if you have guilt about asking for help, makes you feel better about asking!!  (though my friends would do anything for me, so I do know they are there for me, brownie points or not!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question!   I have not reached the healthy level yet!  I don&#8217;t like to ask for help, and try and do it all myself, and i am completely worn out!  What works for me is racking up &#8216;brownie points&#8217; with my friends!  And they are good about asking for help, so easy for me to get &#8216;points&#8217;!!  So now i feel ok asking someone to take my son home from the bus so I can take my dd to music lessons, and stuff like that&#8230;and also if it&#8217;s something I REALLY don&#8217;t want to do, then I&#8217;m better at delegating!  I&#8217;m band president and a few things have come up, like a conflict situation..but one lady is in management at work and has handled such things, so I asked her to take over that piece for me!  And I do not like to solicit for auction goods, and luckily I have a few folks working with me who are willing to do it, so I&#8217;m happy to delegate that to them!  I do have a very hard time letting go when it is kid stuff though&#8230;My friend said that I do not have to go to EVERY activity of my kids&#8217;, but I still do!!  I enjoy it, and wouldn&#8217;t feel right if i did!  course once they all move out I will sleep for a year to catch up!!</p>
<p>So my answer is that delegating is good, and racking up brownie points if you have guilt about asking for help, makes you feel better about asking!!  (though my friends would do anything for me, so I do know they are there for me, brownie points or not!!)</p>
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		<title>By: michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 00:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great answers, Ladies! 
I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve hit the healthy dependency stage of life; but now I&#039;ve got a road map from you all! Thanks! 

Hey...maybe these boards are a form of Healthy Dependency! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great answers, Ladies!<br />
I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve hit the healthy dependency stage of life; but now I&#8217;ve got a road map from you all! Thanks! </p>
<p>Hey&#8230;maybe these boards are a form of Healthy Dependency! <img src='http://www.womens-place.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: HostJulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>HostJulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 21:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Healthy Dependency is absolutely knowing when to delegate.  I have control issues and tend to do everything myself so it&#039;s done &quot;right.&quot;  However, I am working to let go and delegate, so I am not so overwhelmed.  Asking for help is not a sign of weakness.  It shows you are smart enough to not push yourself past your limitations!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Healthy Dependency is absolutely knowing when to delegate.  I have control issues and tend to do everything myself so it&#8217;s done &#8220;right.&#8221;  However, I am working to let go and delegate, so I am not so overwhelmed.  Asking for help is not a sign of weakness.  It shows you are smart enough to not push yourself past your limitations!</p>
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		<title>By: Deek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 19:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Healthy dependency to me means that I am able to handle what needs to be handled in my life, the lives of my children and around the house. It also means knowing when to call others for help. I feel like I handle all these areas of my life on my own pretty well. The house projects are what gets crazy for me and I have a neighbor who handles the big projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Healthy dependency to me means that I am able to handle what needs to be handled in my life, the lives of my children and around the house. It also means knowing when to call others for help. I feel like I handle all these areas of my life on my own pretty well. The house projects are what gets crazy for me and I have a neighbor who handles the big projects.</p>
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		<title>By: kympossible</title>
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		<dc:creator>kympossible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 17:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, healthy dependency is being willing to admit that I need help with something and knowing where to get that help.  I think it&#039;s a co-dependency thing in a lot of ways too, because we all like to be needed and it builds a bond between friends when I can ask for and accept help when I need it, knowing that if someone else needs a hand from me that they can ask and I&#039;ll do what I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, healthy dependency is being willing to admit that I need help with something and knowing where to get that help.  I think it&#8217;s a co-dependency thing in a lot of ways too, because we all like to be needed and it builds a bond between friends when I can ask for and accept help when I need it, knowing that if someone else needs a hand from me that they can ask and I&#8217;ll do what I can.</p>
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